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adri
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erstellt am: 02-23-2015 08:39 AM     Sehen Sie sich das Profil von adri an!     Editieren oder löschen Sie diesen Beitrag! Reply w/Quote
Mir wurde beim Lesen schlecht
http://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/sie-w ollten-nicht-fliegen-schneesturm-flugzeug-crew-meutert-wegen-sicherheitsbedenken_id_4496369.html

der lachende smiley sollte da nun wirklich nicht sein

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lazyeight
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erstellt am: 02-24-2015 01:49 AM     Sehen Sie sich das Profil von lazyeight an!     Editieren oder löschen Sie diesen Beitrag! Reply w/Quote
Ich finde diesen Vorfall interessant, denn um offen zu sein, ich weiß nicht wer Recht hat.

Hier steht im Grunde der legale und verständliche Selbsterhaltungstrieb der klaren Weisungsstruktur entgegen!

Nicht ganz klar ist mir, wieso der Flug mit der Hälfte von Flugbegleitern legal gewesen sein soll. Soweit ich das noch in Erinnerung habe ist die Anzahl der Sitze und nicht die Anzahl der Fluggäste für die Zahl der erforderlichen Flugbegleiter entscheidend.

Egal wie, wenn ein Flieger nicht sauber enteist ist, dann ist das ein "no go!"

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Dash
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erstellt am: 02-24-2015 02:48 AM     Sehen Sie sich das Profil von Dash an!     Editieren oder löschen Sie diesen Beitrag! Reply w/Quote
Aufgrund der Überschrift von adri bin ich mir nicht ganz sicher warum ihm beim lesen schlecht geworden ist.

Der Artikel ist relativ reißerisch, mit Aussagen wie "während eines Schneesturms zu starten" schafft er einseitige Verhältnisse, dazu der Begriff Billigairline.

Daher würde ich die Aussagen wie "nur mit der Hälfte der Crew abheben wird" durchaus mit Vorsicht geniessen.

Letztendlich hat der Artikel Bildzeitungs Niveau und enthält keinerlei Fakten, denn da viele Flüge abgesagt wurden, war ein Abflug offensichtlich durchaus möglich.
Bedenken der Kabine anzubringen und vorzutragen ist natürlich legitim, hier ist die Frage wie der FO dazu stand, ABER wir werden dafür ausgebildet und gut bezahlt um diese Entscheidungen zu treffen, natürlich sind sie nicht immer richtig, aber grundsätzlich gehe ich davon aus daß das Cockpit hier eine vertretbare Entscheidung getroffen hat.
Ich möchte auch keinem FB zu nahe treten, aber wenn manche nicht wissen, daß wenn man in Funchal war, gleichzeitig auch auf Madeira war, oder daß man beim Rückflug von Teneriffa die Pyramiden einfach nicht sehen kann, würde ich diesen Artikel erstmal als rein unterhaltsam ansehen.
Vor langer Zeit hatten wir mal den Fall, daß eine FB einem CPT beim Check in sagte er sei alkoholisiert. Folge: Stby geholt und Alkohol Test. Ergebnis: 0,0. Vorsicht ist immer gut, aber eine Mehrheit hat nicht immer recht.

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jetcontrail
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erstellt am: 02-24-2015 03:39 AM     Sehen Sie sich das Profil von jetcontrail an!     Editieren oder löschen Sie diesen Beitrag! Reply w/Quote
@lazyeight: Ich habe den Artikel nicht so gelesen, dass es um eine Enteisungsentscheidung ging, sondern um die Frage, ob man überhaupt bei "Schneesturm" fliegen könne.
Auch wenn selbstverständlich immer vorschriftsmäßig eisfrei gestartet werden muss sind beide Fragestellungen nur bedingt durch Kabinenpersonal zu beantworten.
Wenn man weiß, mit welchem Personal die Norwegian auf der Langstrecke unterwegs ist, wundert einen aber wenig.

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airside
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erstellt am: 02-24-2015 08:24 AM     Sehen Sie sich das Profil von airside an!     Editieren oder löschen Sie diesen Beitrag! Reply w/Quote
Spekulation Anfang: Sieht mir nach "nonevent blown out of proportion" aus, hervorgerufen durch suboptimales "leadership".

Der Chef hat Druck den Flug durchzuführen (und will wohl auch heim) und statt die Besatzung mit Ruhe und Bedacht auf dieses gemeinsame Ziel auszurichten wirkt er gestresst und wird beim kleinsten Zweifel der Kollegenschaft cholerisch, was die Situation weiter verschlimmert.

Spekulation Ende.

Quelle: Airliners.net / thehill.com (Kommentare).

Safety Report

• Flight DY 7006
• JFK – ARN
• January 26, 2015
• Aircraft LNF
I arrived at the airport at 18:45; pilots arrived at 18:55. Pilots introduced themselves. Pilot in Command and doing his line check would be Captain Nicholas John Cunningham, First Officer also doing line check would be Erik Totaro, the Captain conducting the line check would be John Didier Tschopp. Prior to the briefing even starting which was next to the check-in counter, near passengers Mr. Cunningham stated “I am not from here, and I will not be stuck here.” The briefing then started which was very quick and rushed. All crewmembers were not even present, but the Flight Deck did not want to wait because they stated the weather was getting worse.
Flight Deck proceeded to gate without Cabin Crew. Cabin Crew stayed behind waiting for final Crew Member to arrive then proceeded to gate. Once arrived at the gate the plane pulled onto ramp at 19:30 and sat until 19:50 until a qualified person could attach the Jetbridge to the aircraft. During this time we spoke with agents asking what time we had to work with to board the plane and get the aircraft off of the stand before it would be too late, they stated it would be 21:00. They also stated the airport would be closing at approximately 23:00.
Flight Deck proceeded to enter the aircraft at 20:20 saying that four cabin crew needed to get on and do the safety checks so that we could hurry and board the aircraft. The cleaners were still on the aircraft at this time. All cabin crew remained as a group in the waiting area. While waiting the entire crew began talking about not being able to get the aircraft boarded and all safety requirements done in time since the flight deck was in a major hurry for not wanting to be stuck.
We walked down to the aircraft as a group, the cleaners were still on the aircraft and cleaning was not near being finished. Once we were allowed to get on the aircraft all phones got emergency notice that no vehicles other than emergency vehicles would be allowed on the roads after 23:00 because of the hazardous weather outside. During this time some of the crew members looked outside to see the conditions that were Blizzard conditions, there was approximately 4-5 inches of snow just on the aircrafts wings with Visibility at 0% and there was no ceiling.
The cabin crew all became very nervous and started questioning if this was the correct thing to do to operate the aircraft in such weather. There had to be a reason that all airlines had cancelled, and it was becoming more apparent that the reason that we did not cancel was because the pilots “Did not live here and did not want to be stuck here.” Crew members addressed their concern with the pilots; the pilots were very rude, aggressive, and rushing acting as if our opinion did not matter. They did not seem to even try to put us at ease, it was clear their only concern was getting the plane boarding and getting home. We could only think that if they were rushing us so quickly, how they were completing their own safety checks. A few moments later Mr. Cunningham, called the entire crew into the premium cabin and begin yelling and asking who had called OCC. The crew stated that we were in contact with our base manager that we did not call OCC. He then asked that if our base manager called again that we were to give the phone to him and that he would tell that person how it was going to be that he was in charge not the base manager.
At this point the Cabin Crew stated if this is how he is handling himself on the ground that this was not going to be a safe flight. Mr. Cunningham and his other members of the flight deck sat and asked “would someone please tell me what our issues were” to which no one responded. Melania Kosinovich spoke up and said I will try and explain to the best of my ability. She explained that the problem now was that we were not worried about him flying the plane in the weather, but that being rushed to do everything was a primary condition for making mistakes. Mr. Cunningham then cut her off, at which Jose Chu stated please let her finish. As she began talking again, he once again cut her off, then she herself said can I please finish what you asked me to explain to you. Mr. Cunningham placed his hands on his hips and began acting as if he no longer cared what anyone had to say. Melania then stated that he has ruined CRM aboard the aircraft and it was not right that we should be rushed to do everything that we normally do, especially because of it being safety. At this time Mr. Cunningham, Mr. Tschopp, and Mr. Totaro began laughing in our faces. Some of us spoke up and said how can you laugh in our faces. The crew began grabbing our things and we were heading towards the JetBridge, when Mr. Tschopp stated, “Do not get off this aircraft, That is a order!” I replied we are not in the Military. I stepped off the aircraft and was on the JetBridge and was speaking to the agents. Shingo Odan and Jose Chu also stood on the jetbridge with me. Melania Kosinovich and Jocelyn Smith stood right at the 2L door on the aircraft. Melania stated she didn’t feel safe on the aircraft and wanted to come off but needed to keep her job. She said with him yelling and slapping the tops of the seats, does not make any of us feel safe. Melania stepped of the aircraft only when the phone was handed to her to speak to the Base Manager. Melania entered back onto the aircraft after speaking to the base manager and asked what was going to happen next, Mr. Totaro the first Officers, began to speak to her and then Mr. Cunningham yelled, “ Do not talk to her, No one talk to her.” He then stated that she left his plane and no one leaves his plane and get spoken to. Melania replied I never left your plane.
It was becoming very clear that this man could not control his anger, emotions, and if an emergency were to have happened, he would not be a reliable source. He began yelling that he didn’t want the 4 of us to fly, that we are all very dangerous crew members. At this time all of us were still waiting on the JetBridge we never left the jetbridge but we were not going to be screamed at by someone. He pointed out at us and said we were a dangerous group.
While waiting on the Jetbridge we waited additional instructions. A man claiming he was the gate manager at JFK, all we got out of his name was Kazi, he wouldn’t tell us his last name or show us any identification, but demanded that we showed him our crew badges. He wrote down all of our names. He then said that the General Manager of Norwegian was on his cell phone and wanted to speak to one of us. Melania picked up the phone and spoke with this alleged person. After about 10 minutes, this Kazi man came back and kept repeating over and over, “give me my phone, give me my phone, give me my phone” until Melania handed it back to him. This man should never be in the eye of customers, stomping his feet, being very rude, such a disgrace for him to be working even around the Norwegian counters.
We stood there waiting, then Jose Chu spoke to Billie Jean, and she said to leave before the roads got to bad. We all left as a group. Passengers were coming up to us, they were all very scared and didn’t want to fly, but we kept reassuring them that there was nothing wrong with the plane. They kept trying to say please just tell us that you are leaving because of the weather so we can leave to. We still reassured them that there is nothing wrong and that everything would be okay. We left the airport at approximately 22:10 and didn’t arrive back home until approximately 24:00.
The aircraft left JFK at around 23:30 with only 5 crew members onboard, which is illegal. We all offered to fly the flight but Mr. Cunningham refused and stated we were night flying aboard his aircraft and that he had already called other crew.

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Mshamba
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erstellt am: 02-24-2015 11:00 AM     Sehen Sie sich das Profil von Mshamba an!     Editieren oder löschen Sie diesen Beitrag! Reply w/Quote
wow.........

Krasse Nummer... als FO wär ich mit von Bord gegangen. Geht gar nicht. So ein Umgang ist nicht tragbar, egal wer "Recht" hat oder nicht.

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airside
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erstellt am: 02-24-2015 11:49 AM     Sehen Sie sich das Profil von airside an!     Editieren oder löschen Sie diesen Beitrag! Reply w/Quote

Wenn es sich wirklich so zugetragen hat.

Bisher ist bestätigt dass der Flug mit nur 5 Flugbegleitern durchgeführt wurde. Die norwegischen Behörden haben einen Bericht des Commanders und der Flugbegleiter erhalten und warten nun noch auf einen Bericht des Unternehmens, bevor weitere Aktionen folgen könnten.

lgA

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